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Topic: Do you find it odd that...
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bryan27 General Troublemaker Posts: 376 Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 08-14-2002 12:21
WCWC-LP 94.3 Marion IN rebroadcasts the full power station WUFM 88.7 Columbus OH?WJIK-LP 100.1 Inverness FL simulcasts WJIX-LP 103.1 Homosassa when WJIK's application promised 8 hours of local origination, that these stations are only 10 miles apart, and the calls so similar? WVVW-LP 98.1 Belpre OH and WVVP-LP 96.1 Marrietta OH are only 7 miles apart, have the same format, and nearly identical calls? Admin |
RECNetworks General Troublemaker Posts: 203 Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 08-14-2002 01:29
I would be on the horn with the Enforcement Bureau.Admin |
RECNetworks General Troublemaker Posts: 203 Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 08-14-2002 01:37
Actually, fire up your tape recorder, then contact the EB. At least for the first case, the station is clearly violating §73.879 Admin |
WRPO Mental Patient Posts: 5 Registered: Aug 2002
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posted 08-14-2002 13:39
Hi Bryan...WUFM is listed as Westerville, OH not Columbus.. check out www.tvulive.com/radiou/ Sounds like a violation???Admin |
bryan27 General Troublemaker Posts: 376 Registered: Jun 2001
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posted 08-14-2002 14:13
WRPO, I was just at the Radio-U site, and it does sound like a violation. The FCC show the city of license of WUFM as Columbus. What is even more bizare is that 100000watts.com shows WCWC-LP and WRAU having the same owner and the FCC shows them with different owners.If WCWC-LP is picking up Radio-U from satellite via Sky Angel it is still a violation as Radio-U on satellite is WUFM. REC, I would tape the stations if I lived near them. I got the information from 100000watts.com while looking at some LPFM listings. Hey, look what I found on the Radio-U site. Obiviously these stations have NO LOCAL CONTENT. The RadioU Network is branded as a national radio format, with a major market, “larger than life” image that will appeal to your listeners. However, you will still sound local to your community! This is accomplished several times each hour through locally-run stopsets and local image liner avails. With custom production by our network voiceover and air talent, your local image liners will seamlessly carry the same professional sound as the rest of the format, but with your own call letters, dialposition, promotions, or whatever you want to say to your audience. [This message has been edited by bryan27 (edited August 14, 2002).] Admin |
radiomike General Troublemaker Posts: 498 Registered: Dec 98
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posted 08-14-2002 14:46
quote: Originally posted by bryan27: WCWC-LP 94.3 Marion IN rebroadcasts the full power station WUFM 88.7 Columbus OH?WJIK-LP 100.1 Inverness FL simulcasts WJIX-LP 103.1 Homosassa when WJIK's application promised 8 hours of local origination, that these stations are only 10 miles apart, and the calls so similar? WVVW-LP 98.1 Belpre OH and WVVP-LP 96.1 Marrietta OH are only 7 miles apart, have the same format, and nearly identical calls?
I think in the first instance, unless it is an over the air simulcast, it is a satellite fed music service. I don't want to say I told you so, but this is where I knew that LPFM would become another satellator service. If the feed they are airing is indeed, a seperate service, than it is legal. If it is a translator satellite feed, similar to CSN or BBN, it is illegal. The same could be true of the second set and the third. This is a loophole that was left unplugged. EXample: CSN has a satellator feed for all their translators. It rebroadcasts a Station. This is prohibited by FCC rules. CSN now adds a second "clean feed", a "network" service, that is exactly the same as the translator feed, minus Id's. This would be permissable. In addition, the FCC's definition of "local" could be CD's or automation for eight hours a day. In otherwords, if you load up a CD jukebox or run webjockey, for that time, and then go to satellite, you are legal. Yep, I think we all saw it coming, but the FCC refused to totally eliminate it!Just a reminder, you can not simulcast ANY broadcast station, AM or FM or TV, no matter how you get the information, live off air, satellite, internet, on a live or taped basis.
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Eddie Gein General Troublemaker Posts: 830 Registered: Jan 99
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posted 08-14-2002 15:42
quote: I don't want to say I told you so, but this is where I knew that LPFM would become another satellator service.
No, No, Say it Brother Mike.........And tell us how these puny little upstarts are going to start eating into your NTIA/PTFP grant money, or how they too might start demanding taxpayer coerced funding from CPB........Next thing you know they'll be pleading with NPR to let them join at a reduced rate........ those scoundrels ! [This message has been edited by Eddie Gein (edited August 14, 2002).] Admin |
radiomike General Troublemaker Posts: 498 Registered: Dec 98
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posted 08-14-2002 20:38
quote: Originally posted by Eddie Gein: No, No, Say it Brother Mike.........And tell us how these puny little upstarts are going to start eating into your NTIA/PTFP grant money, or how they too might start demanding taxpayer coerced funding from CPB........Next thing you know they'll be pleading with NPR to let them join at a reduced rate........ those scoundrels !
Actually, LPFM stations can buy NPR programs that aren't on in their market. I am SURE that NPR would jump at that! Actually, there is no restriction on NTIA/PTFP applications from lpfm, and in some cases, in rural areas, lpfm stations may qualify for CPB money. I think they need to look at it, assuming that they qualify (the latter is more difficult than the former). As for NTIA/PTFP, go for it! There is nothing that says you can't, other than you have to match 50% of what they give you and meet their specs. Sorry, a Behringer Board won't cut it. However, it may appeal to some groups that can raise the money. As for the first comment, the galling thing of LPFM is the fact that a majority of the applicants are religious broadcasters, and to be honest, communities dropped the ball. I would rather see TIS than god squad stations! Admin |
Eddie Gein General Troublemaker Posts: 830 Registered: Jan 99
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posted 08-15-2002 16:52
quote: Actually, there is no restriction on NTIA/PTFP applications from lpfm
quote: There is nothing that says you can't,
That is of course, if the local public broadcasting authority, in our case the Alaska Public Broadcasting Joint Venture, gives their blessing to these new stations. The APBJV, as well as the Alaska Broadcasters Association are on record as opposing LPFM. The APBJV sees these new stations as a threat to a limited amount of state and federal money that's available to them. Add to this a continuing decrease in the level of state funding to pub casters over the last 10 years, and what you get is a finite amount of "pie" for an ever increasing number of mouths to feed. The political hoops that must be jumped through to get the funding is the unspoken roadblock here. If you don't have the blessing of the local public broadcasting authority then you might as well forget about any NTIA/PTFP grants coming your way. It's Pub Casters dirty little secret, the political shakedown that goes hand in hand with getting these grants. The grant process is rife with personal politics, and perhaps with the passing of Mr. Madden at CPB things will change........But I won't bet the farm on it..... Admin |
jegrant General Troublemaker Posts: 14 Registered: Jul 2002
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posted 08-23-2002 08:26
I have personally listened to WCWC-LP in Marion, Indiana on more than one occasion, and I can say with certainty that it doesn't merely rebroadcast WUFM licensed to Columbus, OH (which is identified on air as such last I heard it on my Sky Angel system).I do not know their complete schedule, however I do know that it appears they broadcast the "CHRSN" (Christian Hit Radio Satellite Network) (from WAY-FM Nashville, but an actual network, not a rebroadcast of WAY-FM itself) (www.chrsn.com) until 3 PM daily, then switch to the RadioU Network (which, again, is not an exact rebroadcast of WUFM itself) until an unknown time (but I have heard RadioU as late as after midnight). There are local elements mentioning Marion in nearly every stopset that I heard during RadioU programming. One example was a spot giving a local telephone number "The Truth Line" for listener comments (the station is promoted as "94.3 The Truth"). I am not sure about CHRSN, because I only heard enough of it to identify it, and then after 3 PM, the format switched. They are not a translator or satellator, at least not technically, although I am not aware of any local program origination at this time. I believe there are plans for future local origination, but I don't know when this will happen. They are not owned in any way, to my knowledge, by RadioU. The station is licensed to the College Wesleyan Church in Marion, Indiana as on file with the FCC. Although their website doesn't mention their radio station anymore, and never did give it more than a passing mention, there is contact information available, nonetheless. http://www.collegewesleyan.org/ WRAU licensed to South Webster (but, seemingly targeted at Portsmouth) is a full power station owned by "IM-MEDIA BROADCASTING" according to the FCC CDBS. I am guessing that RadioU must be leasing the station, perhaps at a favorable rate. I do not know if this station airs commercials (WRAU) but I suspect they do not. Admin |
techie Mental Patient Posts: 1 Registered: Dec 2002
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posted 12-18-2002 12:24
You are correct in that WRAU is a full power commercial station targeting Portsmouth. (I used to live there, and actually worked at that station in a previous incarnation.) It's been on the air for perhaps 10 years or so and been a format-of-the-month club (country/ez listening/hot AC/70's oldies/classic hits/AOR during that time). It was sold around 95-96 to "IM-Media" whose head guy was bent on going all 70s which flopped horribly, and things went downhill from there. The equipment is mostly fit for the trash heap and the TX never makes full power. Anyway, I believe that it's being leased to a group of guys from some Christian rock band, who in turn are programming it with Radio U. I heard one commercial on there the last time I was in town--but several months before I heard them on the air locally begging for money (is that legal for a commercial license?). No one really knows what's going on or who's in charge, the building generally sits empty.Admin |
RECNetworks General Troublemaker Posts: 203 Registered: Nov 2001
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posted 12-18-2002 12:28
quote: before I heard them on the air locally begging for money (is that legal for a commercial license?).
It sure is. Just ask Trinity Broadcasting Network. Many of these religious over the air TV broadcasters are using commercial channels. They are not NCE's. Admin | |