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N9OGL
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posted 07-20-2006 04:54     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hello,

I'm running a low power radio station on the 22 meter Shortwave band. The frequency is 13.556.00 on USB and we sometimes switch it over to LSB. The station is on most of the time so drop me a line if you can hear it.

Todd N9OGL
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posted 07-20-2006 06:43     Click Here to See the Profile for doctorwho   Click Here to Email doctorwho     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
will start to monitor there , probably right after sunset this time of year it might be heard or in the 19 to 20 hours utc time range .

Tony

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N9OGL
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posted 07-20-2006 22:48     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Ran it a little bit this afternoon, and will be running it tonight, It wil be on most of the night until probably 4:00 am EST.

Todd N9OGL
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posted 07-21-2006 12:31     Click Here to See the Profile for John Sedlacek   Click Here to Email John Sedlacek     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I am assuming you are transmitting using Morse code. I can't copy CW. I probably am hearing you now @ 0120 UTC (Jul 21) on 13556. Signal good with some noise in background here on the Grat Plains.

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i checked at various times and thought around 23 hours utc ( 7pm est ) there might be something there but couldn't make it out , there was a station on 13560 around then or earlier that was bleeding over on 13556 .

Its not a great frequency to operate on unless you want to hit europe or if you are in lets say maine and want to be heard in florida around 6pm est , plus propigation wasn't the best thursday , next time you mention when you are going to do it give times again for example 5pm est to 11pm est type of thing .

another suggestion is to get off that frequency and try something in the 6900-6995 range avoiding 6913 , 6940 , 6947 , 6973 , 6975 or something around 3495 would be good , anything higher or lower will interfere with hams or aircraft , theres the aircraft weather on 3485 ssb and hams starting at or around 3500

Tony

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posted 07-21-2006 13:44     Click Here to See the Profile for jta   Click Here to Email jta     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
If you're sending a repeating "HI" in slow CW, I've got you in Western NY with a poor to fair signal at 1430 UTC! QSL appreciated.

On 5 min, off 10..?

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N9OGL
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posted 07-21-2006 17:56     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Were going to try 6.950.00 Today and tonight, to see if it works better. Please let us know if you hear anything

thanks for your time


Todd N9OGL
FREE RADIO AMERICA

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posted 07-21-2006 19:33     Click Here to See the Profile for wnkr   Click Here to Email wnkr     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by N9OGL:
Were going to try 6.950.00 Today and tonight, to see if it works better. Please let us know if you hear anything

thanks for your time


Todd N9OGL
FREE RADIO AMERICA



Am I the only one that thinks it a bit daft that a licensed Ham is advertising the fact that he is involved in illegal broadcasting?
I mean all of Todds details are on qrz.com.
Or am I missing something?
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posted 07-22-2006 23:52     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill O. Rights     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I won't speculate on the the mental state of the poster, but he may have been thinking that the only people in the radio hobby that have the radios, skills and inclination to listen to something like this are Pirate Listeners. The Hams, if you've bothered to listen lately, are so booring, that doctors are now prescibing 40 and 80 mtrs for insomnia victims.

The only people that could or would listen to this are on this site!

I think, questioning someones mental state, on this site, is a double edged sword. I can't think of one person who posts here that isn't missing at least a side dish from the Daily special!

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posted 07-21-2006 19:33
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Originally posted by N9OGL:
Were going to try 6.950.00 Today and tonight, to see if it works better. Please let us know if you hear anything
thanks for your time


Todd N9OGL
FREE RADIO AMERICA


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Am I the only one that thinks it a bit daft that a licensed Ham is advertising the fact that he is involved in illegal broadcasting?
I mean all of Todds details are on qrz.com.
Or am I missing something?
Dave.

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Dave, I would really suggest to you that you really read Part 15 before you claim someone's running illegal thanks

Todd N9OGL
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Running under 47 CFR 15.223 and 47 CFR 15.225

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He's in the UK. They don't read over there! They have a Queen to do that for them!

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quote:
Originally posted by Bill O. Rights:
I think, questioning someones mental state, on this site, is a double edged sword. I can't think of one person who posts here that isn't missing at least a side dish from the Daily special!


Where, oh where have my Refried Beans gone?
Oh where, oh where can they be?


'Most pirate radio operators are mildly disturbed individuals'?!

Well, that guy had a hell of a lot of nerve.
What an insult!

I am SERIOUSLY disturbed!

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posted 07-24-2006 04:54     Click Here to See the Profile for Pigmeat   Click Here to Email Pigmeat     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I like refritos but I don't have your's Poet.

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posted 07-24-2006 09:01     Click Here to See the Profile for jta   Click Here to Email jta     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
What I think is so odd is that over on the UseNet in rec.radio.shortwave there are allegedly knowledgable amateurs that *assume* Todd is in violation of FCC Rules & Regs because they have no clue about Part 15. He even posted Part 15.209 for their reading pleasure and they dismissed it as "just another cut and paste by Todd".

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose!

BTW, I could read the "HI" beacon at about 1300Z and again about 1730Z (Sunday) with about the same signal strength. Every once in a while those dits just pop up out of the background noise.

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Why would one assume that "knowledgable amateurs" would know anything about Part 15, and why would you think you could find "knowledgable amateurs" on Usenet? They just think and tell people that they know everything. They really don't.

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i went to that qrz site to read up on this and the whole thing looks like a nightmare , the posts and type of posts just made my head spin ,i'm glad the frn is nothing like that and i never found the section/ posts to do with part 15 or anything related to this test transmission , with that said i had no luck getting anything on 6950 or 13.556 , are the tests still being done ?

Tony

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N9OGL
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posted 07-24-2006 22:01     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Tony,

Check tonight it will be on tonight. we've been having problems with RF feeding back into the computer. We think we have fixed the problem.

BTW: Tonights transmission will be music.

Todd N9OGL

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6.950.00

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posted 07-26-2006 17:32     Click Here to See the Profile for doctorwho   Click Here to Email doctorwho     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Todd
sorry i didn't see that you were going to be on the 24th or was it the 25th so i did not try to listen on 13.556 , there was something there or really close a couple days ago but i can't recall what maybe spanish.

Tony

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posted 07-28-2006 01:51     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by jta:
What I think is so odd is that over on the UseNet in rec.radio.shortwave there are allegedly knowledgable amateurs that *assume* Todd is in violation of FCC Rules & Regs because they have no clue about Part 15. He even posted Part 15.209 for their reading pleasure and they dismissed it as "just another cut and paste by Todd".

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose!

BTW, I could read the "HI" beacon at about 1300Z and again about 1730Z (Sunday) with about the same signal strength. Every once in a while those dits just pop up out of the background noise.



I missed this one, you should see what they are saying on my blog...their STILL staying I'm illegal, my home built transmitter has to be certified and a bunch of other junk.

Todd N9OGL
13.556.00 MHz

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posted 07-28-2006 20:31     Click Here to See the Profile for L Cee Intl   Click Here to Email L Cee Intl     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
N9OGL Low Power Station, 7/28/6, 13.556 MHz, 20:20+, RST 569, sending cw H I
heard in VA.

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N9OGL, 7/28/06, 13.556 MHz, 21:02,

Very faint high pitch CW sending cw H I

On the gulch: http://www.shortwavepirate.info/pw/GulchStream.html

MP3: www.shortwavepirate.info/audio/OffAir/N9OGL.mp3


RD

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posted 07-29-2006 12:24     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Send reports for QSL CARD to:

Langley Park Telecommunication
C\O Todd Daugherty N9OGL
800 West Main Cross St
Taylorville, Illinois 62568

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posted 08-12-2006 13:53     Click Here to See the Profile for CaptainBohemian   Click Here to Email CaptainBohemian     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Hey Guys,

"HI" on 13558 is running out of monroe, ct. it's the strongest hifer station here and is reported to be running from an all tube transmitter, an fsk "sine" pattern is also visible when using a qrss program such as argo.

I would speculate that the power output on "hi" is above the legal limit for power output as the signal is so strong....but I don't care, nor does the fcc apparently as hi has been running for a number of years nonstop.

I'm personally a big fan of hifers and have caught quite a number over the past couple years..I think it would be quite possible to copy a voice station using hifer power (typically 3mw on a vertical dipole mounted near the ground) though I doubt such a station would provide a strong or very reliable signal it's certainly possible and a fascinating concept.

As far as running part 15 on 6950, I'm pretty sure the permissable power output is much much lower than on 13556 (a field strength of 100µv/meter@30 meters from 1.7-10 MHz relative to the 10,000µv/meter@30 meters for the 13.555 hifer band) I think this would put the legal limit on 6950 to about 30µw on a vertical dipole (correct me if I'm wrong, I think decibels may be calculated differently whilst speaking in terms of volts).

With this all said and done, I think most people here are ham operators and have ran 10 watts or more on out of band frequencies and most of us have escaped legal persecution.

I'll be listening today on 13556 with an antenna array that has proved to be supperior for reception in that range.

Boh

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posted 08-12-2006 15:38     Click Here to See the Profile for N9OGL   Click Here to Email N9OGL     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Back in Febuary of last year the FCC changed the rules for Part 15. The Field emission for where I'm at is now 15,848 uV/meter @30 meters
http://www.sss-mag.com/pdf/part15-91905.pdf

Section 15.225 Operation within the band 13.110 – 14.010 MHz.

(a) The field strength of any emissions within the band 13.553-13.567 MHz shall not exceed 15,848 microvolts/meter at 30 meters.
(b) Within the bands 13.410-13.553 MHz and 13.567-13.710 MHz, the field strength of any emissions shall not exceed 334 microvolts/meter at 30 meters.
(c) Within the bands 13.110-13.410 MHz and 13.710-14.010 MHz the field strength of any emissions shall not exceed 106 microvolts/meter at 30 meters.
(d) The field strength of any emissions appearing outside of the 13.110-14.010 MHz band shall not exceed the general radiated emission limits in § 15.209.
(e) The frequency tolerance of the carrier signal shall be maintained within +/- 0.01% of the operating frequency over a temperature variation of –20 degrees to +50 degrees C at normal supply voltage, and for a variation in the primary supply voltage from 85% to 115% of the rated supply voltage at a temperature of 20 degrees C. For battery operated equipment, the equipment tests shall be performed using a new battery.
(f) In the case of radio frequency powered tags designed to operate with a device authorized under this section, the tag may be approved with the device or be considered as a separate device subject to its own authorization. Powered tags approved with a device under a single application shall be labeled
with the same identification number as the device.


Todd N9OGL
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A number of years ago(more than a decade.) I was reading an article on Part-15 in PopComm. There was a blurb about a guy relaying a local MW station from near his home in PA.in the frequncy segment around where Todd is now. I never heard him,but he was heard occasionally in winter months by folks along the East Coast,running in AM mode,for a couple of years.

Have fun with it.

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Omega One Radio heard here yesterday with readable signal. Complete report in the Loggings forum. It is possible!

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I missed this one, you should see what they are saying on my blog...their STILL staying I'm illegal, my home built transmitter has to be certified and a bunch of other junk.

Todd N9OGL
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it looks like omega one has a strong signal into wv for the better part of the day...I fail to believe this is coming in from a legit part 15 tx....I don't know why this bothers me, perhaps I'm just tired of people who try to feed me ****.

the following is from todd's site:
Operation: 24/7
Frequency: 13.556.00 MHz (22 Meter Shortwave Band)
Mode: Lower Side Band
Power Output: 50 Watts
Electical Field Emission: @ 17.5 Meters 10,000 uV
@ 30 Meters 333 uV
Antenna: Sloper
Height: 30 Ft

Perhaps I'm missing something, but 50 watts on a sloper 30 ft above the ground sounds like it may be signifigantly above the field strength stated.

This Link helps explain how the field strength translates into 7.5 mw eirp: http://www.radioham.org/article.php?sid=196

I'm also a little concerned that the choice of 13556 lsb is going to cover up all of the legit hifers which are found mostly from 13555-13556.

Personally I don't have any problems with anyone running a legit or pirate station in the hifer band, I'd just prefer that people not try to feed me **** and also be respectful of the stations that are already operating in the band.

With all this said, I have a great signal on what I assume to be omega one on 13556 lsb. I have lot's of music but no id's, colorado rocky mountain high on at 1520z. Good luck with not getting shut down.

Boh

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quote:
Originally posted by CaptainBohemian:
it looks like omega one has a strong signal into wv for the better part of the day...I fail to believe this is coming in from a legit part 15 tx....I don't know why this bothers me, perhaps I'm just tired of people who try to feed me ****.

the following is from todd's site:
Operation: 24/7
Frequency: 13.556.00 MHz (22 Meter Shortwave Band)
Mode: Lower Side Band
Power Output: 50 Watts
Electical Field Emission: @ 17.5 Meters 10,000 uV
@ 30 Meters 333 uV
Antenna: Sloper
Height: 30 Ft

Perhaps I'm missing something, but 50 watts on a sloper 30 ft above the ground sounds like it may be signifigantly above the field strength stated.

This Link helps explain how the field strength translates into 7.5 mw eirp: http://www.radioham.org/article.php?sid=196

I'm also a little concerned that the choice of 13556 lsb is going to cover up all of the legit hifers which are found mostly from 13555-13556.

Personally I don't have any problems with anyone running a legit or pirate station in the hifer band, I'd just prefer that people not try to feed me **** and also be respectful of the stations that are already operating in the band.

With all this said, I have a great signal on what I assume to be omega one on 13556 lsb. I have lot's of music but no id's, colorado rocky mountain high on at 1520z. Good luck with not getting shut down.

Boh


Here's the run down on Part 15. On 13.556.00 MHz the power output has to be 15,848 uV/m @ 30 meters. Meaning at 30 meters (98 Feet) the electrical field has to be 15,848 uV. At 17.5 Meters from the antenna the electrical field at Omega One Radio is 1,000 uV. The FCC on Part 15 measures electrical fields, not wattage. Wattage and Voltage IS two different thing (according to the FCC) You can put out a lot of watts and still put out an electrical as required under Part 15. It depends on feedline, antenna, antenna height and a few other factors. We are running a sloper, however, the signal is only come from the end of the coax conntected to the antenna, in other words it's not radiating off the antenna. the system is very ineffecient which put's it to Part 15. (again at 17.5 meters are signal is only 1,000 uV) If it was come out of the antenna the signal would be 10X stronger then it is. Another way of making a high power (Wattage wise) is to get 5,000 watts transmitter and put the antenna 5 to 10 feet in the ground, this too will give you a Part 15 signal because the ground dampers the signal. there are different way to produce Part 15. Amateur operators try to compare voltage and wattage as being the same thing, but again according thge FCC Wattage can produce different electrical fields and that's what the the FCC is looking at electrical fields, not wattage.

The following comes from the OET buletin on Part 15 http://www.fcc.gov/Bureaus/Engineering_Technology/Documents/bulletins/oet63/oet63rev.pdf

What is the relationship between "microvolts per meter" and Watts?

Watts are the units used to describe the amount of power generated by a transmitter. Microvolts per meter (ìV/m) are the units used to describe the strength of an electric field created by the operation
of a transmitter. A particular transmitter that generates a constant level of power (Watts) can produce electric fields of
different strengths (ìV/m) depending on, among other things, the type of transmission line and antenna
connected to it. Because it is the electric field that causes interference to authorized radio communications, and since a particular electric field strength does not directly correspond to a particular level of transmitter power, most of the Part 15 emission limits are specified in field strength.

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No copy of your beacon yet here in MD, although I just did some work on my 20mb dipole, raising it up a bit higher, so I will give it a try again tomorrow when the band might be open.

Out of curiosity, how are you taking your field strength measurements?

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Out of curiosity, how are you taking your field strength measurements?[/B]

I was just wondering the same thing. Have the quoted field strength numbers been measured with calibrated instruments?

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With a field strengh meter...most of them measure microvolts and go from 1,000 uV to 10,000 uV


Todd N9OGL
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With a field strengh meter...most of them measure microvolts and go from 1,000 uV to 10,000 uV


Todd N9OGL
OMEGA ONE RADIO
13.556.00 MHz LSB


Cool project, I heard you in the noise the other night...

I am looking for a 13556 khz area crystal to put my beacon in the HiFer band, but for now, I'm running it at around 14994 khz...

But I still think your 50 watts is far from the legal limit... but if no one complains, you will probably be OK

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The problem is the FCC isn't looking at wattage in regards to Part 15, they are looking at voltage. Voltage can produce different wattage....A good example of this is light bulbs. You screw light bulbs into 110 V and you can run from 60 watts all the way up to 100 - 150 Watts. If 110 Volts only put out one type of wattage then all those light bulbs wouldn't work, and only one type of wattage would work. Same thing with the station You can put out 50 to 100 watts or even more, and still have a field strength of 15,848 uV/meter @30 meters it depends of many factors, including how much coax you've got, the line loss in that coax, antenna, including height (higher power stuff like 5,000 watts you would want to bury your coax and antenna to help damper the field or hook the coax to a dummy load), db gain, what type of obstructions are in the way of the antenna. and a few other things. Were running 100 watts, but at 17.5 meters(which is below the 30 meter requirement are signal is only 2,000 uV. what the people are hearing in the other states is all audio. the audio at the station is what is giving the station the distance not the power.

Todd N9OGL
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13.556.00 MHz. LSB

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