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KLS WV
Mental Patient

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Registered: Sep 2005

posted 10-23-2005 22:49     Click Here to See the Profile for KLS WV     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I wonder why the FCC can't set aside some shortwave frequencies to be used by pirates. If not permanently, then at least temporarily. And give it a chance and see what happens.

Use of cb channels and FRS (family radio service channels, aren't they relatively new) are also for unlicensed individuals. It's time to break away from the concepts of the past and embrace new ideas and ways of thinking for the betterment of mankind. And what is it going to hurt? If you want to hear pirate stations broadcasting, you can easily tune into those frequencies. If you don't ever want to run across pirates, then you can easily avoid them by not tuning in to those frequencies.

I wish the FCC would re-evaluate a few things.

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DJboutit2
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Registered: Mar 2004

posted 10-23-2005 23:35     Click Here to See the Profile for DJboutit2   Click Here to Email DJboutit2     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I think the FCC should allow unlicensed boardcasting in 82.1mhz to 87.9mhz TV CH 6 Spectrum. It is being unused and I would like to see 100w to 250w max for pirate free radio station. All radio sold in the future could be adapted the is new spectrum easily and it could be setup by the FCC in no time @ all. I think the FCC does not care a rats ass what the public wants all the care about is making millions of dollars a year. http://www.lpfm.ws/news/channel6.php for more info on this


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Ragnar
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posted 10-24-2005 02:37     Click Here to See the Profile for Ragnar   Click Here to Email Ragnar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by KLS WV:
I wonder why the FCC can't set aside some shortwave frequencies to be used by pirates.

Power & Money.
Government bureaucracy by their nature will not give up power to regulate, couple that with the $ of the special interest groups such as the ARRL.
Relax. Submit. Do not question authority- or else.


RD

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Ragnar Daneskjold
Piratesweek Podcast
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Al Fansome
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posted 10-24-2005 03:29     Click Here to See the Profile for Al Fansome   Click Here to Email Al Fansome     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
It's ok, Ragnar. A simple, painless operation, and all of that bitterness drains away. I had it done at the local FCC office, and it only took about an hour. I'm much happier now.

quote:
Originally posted by Ragnar:
Power & Money.
Government bureaucracy by their nature will not give up power to regulate, couple that with the $ of the special interest groups such as the ARRL.
Relax. Submit. Do not question authority- or else.


RD


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The Poet
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posted 10-24-2005 06:49     Click Here to See the Profile for The Poet   Click Here to Email The Poet     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
If they ever did something like that, I'm sure the frequencies given up would SUCK.... the red-headed stepchildren that no one would want.

The 'war' against shortwave pirates is, for the time being, OVER. For the time being, we have WON. The opposing team hasn't taken the field in six years. The games have been forfeited. We all broadcast with impunity, whenever and wherever we wish, with little worry. Such being the case, there's little point to wish for any such 'legal' band.... and if one was created, I'm sure the power levels allowed would be negligible.

For my own part, I'm not primarily doing this now as any kind of fight against the FCC. We fought that fight in the 80s, and we won it. Now the agency is only a shell of what it was then. I brought The Crystal Ship back primarily to make a statement against the George Bush administration through civil disobedience, and the existance of any such 'legal' band would make little difference to me now, although it'd be nice for the hobbyists I guess.

If they suddenly made my operations legal on 6854/6875 kHz, no doubt I would move at least some of them to where they were not legal. Even during such programs that contain no political content, I am making a deeper statement by the mere airing of them (or so I like to think).

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Bill O. Rights
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posted 10-24-2005 16:28     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill O. Rights     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Nicely stated Poet!

However, I don't think we can get too comfortable and operate with any level of comfort. Somebody is going to get their attention, and they'll need to make an example of someone and whomever is easiest to catch, will be it. I'd still look out the window, while the transmitter is on.

Simple fact, as has been mentioned, is that there is no power or money in pirate or hobby broadcasting. There is no lobby and no voice in front of congress to plead the case. As as Poet pointed out, even if there were, how many of us would go over power and out of band? Of the Pirates I know, I doubt many would stay in the band, assigned.

I've always laughed at the people who think they are going to "organize" the pirates. Pirates by their very nature, despise organizing and organizers. If you are smart about your operation, you can get away with it for decades with no FCC detection. The key of course is to be smart about it. Posting your stations location, hours and frequency all over the internet is not the way to stay under the FCC's radar.

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Ragnar
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posted 10-24-2005 21:40     Click Here to See the Profile for Ragnar   Click Here to Email Ragnar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Al Fansome:
It's ok, Ragnar. A simple, painless operation, and all of that bitterness drains away. I had it done at the local FCC office, and it only took about an hour. I'm much happier now.


I really shouldn't post after the third glass of wine.
(insert your comic quote here on frontal lobotomy / bottle in front of me)

Seriously, as I see it for all reasonable purposes radio is dead. There I said it. It is no longer the standard for the relay of information. It has been eclipsed by the television and lately- the Internet in all its subdivisions. As usual the Government is one step behind, still trying to regulate the TV, give them time & they will turn their attention to cyber space. They have left behind the radio spectrum, as the masses no longer have interest in it. The only exceptions are Broadcast radio, where "special" interests still have a business model & will use the power of the government to protect it. The last exception is the Ham community where hobbyist will lobby their government representatives to protect their interests, ie amateur spectrum.
In conclusion, if a pirate stays away from broadcast interference, & keeps out of the ham bands there is little threat of government involvement and I don't see any change in that in the near future.
OK, I have had my bimonthly rant- carry on nothing to see here.

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CaptainBohemian
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posted 10-25-2005 12:44     Click Here to See the Profile for CaptainBohemian   Click Here to Email CaptainBohemian     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
wow....has it been 6 years since the big halloween busts? Hopefully they'll continue to leave shortwave pirates alone but you never know...the fcc can be vicious...when I was 12 years old I was abducted by fcc agents...they landed in my yard in a big white van and I was carried out of my room by a bunch of guys with odd shaped heads and really really shiny shoes...I think they may have even been glowing...they carried me onto their van and started rf probing me....it was horrible....how was I supposed to know that my liver was radiating in the fm broadcast band?

There actually is a part 15 band in the us and canada around 13.555...the power output is determined by field strength and typically equates to about 3 milliwatts on a dipole...this doesn't sound like a lot but I hear stations running cw in this band almost every day...usually in excess of 500 miles away.
boh

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tnauqe
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Registered: Oct 2005

posted 10-25-2005 18:01     Click Here to See the Profile for tnauqe     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'm going to chime in and say that I agree a pirate portion of the band isn't desireable. It would remove that much more of the spectrum from pirates' hands with ramsey kit operators, QRM, overcrowding, lame programming, etc.

Operating as a pirate needs to remain difficult. Pirates should really want to be pirates before they get on the air. They need to be motivated and sincere about the process.

Obviously that flys in the face of the "Freedome of Speech" battle cry, but it's my opinion on the matter.

tnauqe

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Ragnar
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posted 03-13-2006 12:57     Click Here to See the Profile for Ragnar   Click Here to Email Ragnar     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I thought I would bring back this old thread.
W2XOY Bill Comntenelli on This Week In Amateur Radio did a very nice piece on this very topic. I aired it on this weeks PiratesWeek Podcast.
In a nutshell, he hypothesized using the broadcast portion of the 11 meter band 25.67-26.10 for low wattage stations, $100 fee & no licence. Take a listen to it. I think it has a lot of merit.

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Bill O. Rights
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posted 03-13-2006 01:32     Click Here to See the Profile for Bill O. Rights     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
It wouldn't be "pirate" and so much fun, if it was legal! I think the old saying; "wish in one hand, spit in the other, see which one gets full first" applies here.

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Rockin' Rick
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posted 03-13-2006 22:48     Click Here to See the Profile for Rockin' Rick     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'd like to see a portion of spectrum open up around 45 or 50 Mhz, most of the public service stuff has moved from there in favor of 155 and nowadays 470 and 800 MHz trunked and digital systems. My State is building a network of lower powered radios on 460.

If the FCC were to open up any portion of spectrum allowing a signal of sufficient power to cover more than a furlong and allowing modulation better than 2.5khz wide AM, it would certainly require all sorts of regulations. They would require licenses, forms up the ying yang, and fees to go along with each, quotas to insure an equal distribution among ethnicities, and all the content would be censored. They just don't have the means to handle that now. CB required licenses once upon a time. After several million people bought CB sets they decided they just could no longer manage it and dropped the requirement. If the public was allowed to broadcast in a "new" FM band conglomo would certainly try to block that effort too. Clear Channel would flip out.

The FCC just sucks, period.

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